IRC log started Wed Dec 4 20:06 *** Your host is irc.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au, running version 2.8.21.lisc1.0scary *** This server was cobbled together Sun Sep 22 1996 at 22: 47:41 WST, thanks Run & ComStud *** umodes available oiwsfrcuk, channel modes available biklmnopstv *** There are 51 victims and 7 hiding on 4 servers *** There are 2 operators online *** 13 channels have been formed *** This server has 10 clients and 2 servers connected *** Highest connection count: 12 (10 clients) *** - irc.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Message of the Day - *** - 1/12/1996 17:51 *** -  ____ ___ _______ _______ _____________ _______  *** - | | \/ ___ \ / ___ \ | \______ \/ ___ \  *** - | | / \ \// \ \/ | || _/ \ \/  *** - | | /\ \___\ \____ | || | \ \____ *** - |______/ \______ /\______ / |___||____|_ /\______ / *** -  \/ \/ \/ \/ *** - Welcome to the UWA Computer Club ChatWest IRC server at *** -  i r c . u c c . g u . u w a . e d u . a u  *** - *** - IMPORTANT: Rules and complaint resolution procedures *** - for this server are located at: *** - http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/services/irc/ *** - *** - The administration of this site is carried out by: *** - David Basden davidb@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au *** - Ian McKellar yakk@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au *** - Rod Swift rod@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au *** - Barnaby Brown barnes@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au *** - We can be contacted by emailing irc@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au *** - *** - DISCLAIMER: The University Computer Club does not take *** - responsibility for any illegal traffic utilising this *** - IRC server or any server connected to this IRC server. *** Nick (nick@pling.it.net.au) has joined channel #ucc *** Topic for #ucc: unban firefly *** #ucc iceman 849685049 *UCCBOT* [UCCBOT] Welcome to #ucc. '/MSG UCCBOT bing' for more information. * Myk waves happily * Nick waves back * Chonx yawns this isn't the time to mention that i'm totally unfamiliar with IRC, is it. *** Barnes (barnes@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc *** Mode change "+o Barnes" on channel #ucc by UCCBOT *** Barnes has changed the topic on channel #ucc to Bingle. *** Mode change "+nt" on channel #ucc by Barnes * Nick likes IRC, but flame should be fine if we stop people playing with untested objects whilst we're talking... Err no, its not too hard to use. SO LONG AS YOU HAVE A DECENT VT100 emm. unlike me :( * Myk likes IRC, she knows how to use it...sort of.... untested? untested? how many years has the wardrobe been a part of flame? Well, under this driver. ah. then you mean as distinct to tested objects under this driver, perhaps? *** dunc (dunc@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc *** Myk is chunk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Kym Yeap) *** on channels: #ucc *** on irc via server irc.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (University of WA Computer Club) *** Myk has been idle 37 seconds * dichro grins. * Myk waves happily to Dunc. * Chonx lkes the fact that I can walk into that new groovy CD store at Innaloo and blow $50, and be left with 3 really cool metal CDs :) * dunc bows eveing all. * Chonx bings at Dunc AAArgh, PPP over a 14k4 using Jizz3.11 at the girlfriend's place ... *womble* *** james (james@s8.dialup.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc topic Ugh. 'lo James. aaargh, missed that slash. * james waves to all * james has to remember IRC commands - havent used _any_ for 2 years! * Myk laffs. *** Mode change "+o Chonx" on channel #ucc by UCCBOT #ucc james H james@s8.dialup.uwa.edu.au (James Bromberger) #ucc dunc H dunc@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Duncan Sargeant) #ucc Barnes H$*@ barnes@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Tobermory J. Womble) #ucc Nick H nick@pling.it.net.au (Nick Bannon) #ucc Myk H chunk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Kym Yeap) #ucc Chonx H@ mustang@lethe.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) #ucc dichro H dichro@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mikolaj J. Habryn) #ucc awayshig H@ davidb@dogmatix.omen.com.au (David Basden) #ucc UCCBOT H$@ yakk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Terminal Illness) *** Chonx has changed the topic on channel #ucc to UCC informal meeting. Git on down! that's meant to be a subtle suggestion, yes? Oh I hate EWAN telnet. Muncher: what time would you be able to get to Shenton tomorrow? Chonx: use CRT - much better... Err no - I am afraid the guys that pay me get dibs on my time :P Is there a better freeware telnet one can point people to? CRT? * Myk likes EWAN too...Myk doesn't know how to use much else. Is that shareware or freeware?  Nick: no, there are _no_ good freeware windows ones. CRT is shareware (30 days) Kerrist, the one inside Jizz95 does a better vt100 than this... * dunc hopes to fuck that EWAN and CRT are crappy win95 things coz he don't unnerstan' snock *** Signoff: Chonx (EOF From client) What do you use, Dunc? An IBM one? *** Chonx (mustang@lethe.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #UCC  *sigh* nick don't start me :) . . . OK ppl, shall we start the meeting? * Nick is agreeable to that OS/2 Warp 3 -- its all bundled. * Chonx nods * dichro nods I think that anyone who was going to go to flame has seen that it is crashing and I have shouted that we re now in ucc. anyone who is late will have to annoy someone to find out. Oh, cool.  OK... Nick... minutes? :) I'm logging ::-) Right.. shall we follow a standard committee meeting agenda? But it will have ^B's etc in it. No excuse for inaccuracies now :) *** sophie (sophie@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc * Myk yawns.  nick: so ? greetings Hi Sophie.  erm - the agenda should be the one nick posted. Presidents report: there is still a lot to be done around the club room and with al the preparations for O-Day and other events * james waves to sophie. * Chonx bings at Sophie *** andrew (andrew@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc I am a little concerned about the idea of the UCC hosting the Star Wars stuff and the risk that we would be running with it, though this has to be a calculated risk * james waves to andrew * sophie wave wave ahh tops.... UCCC meetings and pizza at my girlfriend... I am in techno-weenie heaven. bin * Nick waves * dichro laughs at Chonx _at_ your girlfriend? aaargh - never been able to pizza and type. Oh well. * Myk grins. you need Voice Dictation sorry I'll stop soon. :) I think that with careful managment and a lot more participation in organisation from all would make the event (and the club in general) a lot better, but I fear that we still suffer fromt eh appathy monster. Not quite - at my girlfriend's on her housemate's PoeCee. * james thacks dunc * dunc laughs crazy. oi! no thacking! * james looks for exteremely large LART That's you Dave, isn't it? I'd recogise that PoeCee anywhere! :) * dichro sighs PoeCee? Can it do 'The Raven'? OK... end Presidents report. * Chonx hands VAX_LART to ames Treasurer? * dunc prepares anti-LART ... Well, +ve we're positive help intro But quite low dman (after drinks) damn :-) .msg andrew type "/help" *** pauly (paulpatt@ttyE58.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc *** Signoff: Myk (Broken pipe) and next time I shall use a slash! :) * dichro laughs *** pauly has left channel #ucc * dunc laffs. sigh times like this i wish i still had wombat running at ucc... It's not too bad so far, we need to keep oursleves stocked with food and drink so yakk can spend ridiculous amounts of money. :) ...that he doesn't have dichro: We could move to Xyzzy... or Rogue... or how many muds do we have running? this is my first taste of irc :-) Well, since Chinnery isnt speaking up too much - I rang Uni Cred today and our account was $381.90 or so. not xyzzy, please. Too hard. We spend $60 and $140 or so on drinks today, which will probably last about 2 weeks. we have no more jolt / red-eye / viper AFAIK, and this will have to be rectified sometime. We have a bit of redeye and viper, but not much. er - while on the subject, can i appeal that we start filling the main slot with jolt? * Chonx raises issue of Sahara/UCC_fridge... We have enough food to last a tad, so there are not too many other expenses on the horrizon, apart from the phone bill, which I estimate is about $300 when it comes. Well, I did put an extra Jolt slot in today ::-) *** Myk (chunk@opera.iinet.net.au) has joined channel #ucc sigh Yes - we should post on the list to see if anyone has an old fridge we could use... I believe that Sophie handed our 2nd semester budget in during the first few days of this week, the summary of which was given at the last committee meeting last friday. Theres a spare fridge at my place... I could see if it's being used or not. Yep got a seg fault in the middle of the help files :( Good stuff. Thanks to Chinnery and Sophie for getting that done. It is now a matter of sit tight and wait from some form of rebate, if there will be one. ... end of Treasurers report. Secretary? Yeah. IRCII around UWA seems to be FITH. Lethe segfaulted when I did a "/mode" Of course there will. You won't believe how many clubs get slack around this time of year - even more than us! (Believe it or not...) *** austen (austen@ttyE55.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc Feel free to run it on pling, those with accounts. don't do that then *** austen has left channel #ucc chonx: irc working fine on mermaid :) I WAS on mermaid No specific secretary's report BTW, beyond what we'll be discussing Anyway... Wed Dec 4 20:24:11 WST 1996 Where were we? #ucc Myk H chunk@opera.iinet.net.au (Lee Yeap) #ucc andrew H andrew@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Williams) #ucc sophie H sophie@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sophie Divliaev) #ucc Chonx G mustang@lethe.uwa.edu.au (David Manchester) #ucc james H james@s8.dialup.uwa.edu.au (James Bromberger) #ucc dunc H dunc@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Duncan Sargeant) #ucc Barnes H$*@ barnes@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Tobermory J. Womble) #ucc Nick H nick@pling.it.net.au (Nick Bannon) #ucc dichro H dichro@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mikolaj J. Habryn) #ucc awayshig H@ davidb@dogmatix.omen.com.au (David Basden) #ucc UCCBOT H$@ yakk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Terminal Illness) OK. What is next on the agenda? Do we want to go with a Committee one or get straight onto wheel stuff? I don't know ... did agenda.print go off? * dunc grins.  Nick: committee. OK - go on, then, James ::-) I didn't know we were here to discuss wheel stuff - I have things to do, so I'd appreciate it if you could do the committee stuff first. what is our current agenda for committee timings ... every friday or wot? We should be on standard agenda for committee meetings  sigh This is cool, I can read my mail and be at a meeting without having to get in my car :)  Ahh - that's an important thing. Next meeting. Are we going to have one on Friday, if so, what time? Not necessarily. TH/who * ...and if so, online or in person? oops. Random babble. well so far I'm in favour of IRL meetings ... tad more organistation. * Machine Technical Reports - merman/marlin/moray/mermaid/starfish - beige/X-terminals - mackerel/mulloway/manta - Dedicated machines (Coke/Snack/Black Box) How about having Simon take his luggable with ether up there and we can have an IRC presence with the humans... * dichro is strongly in favour of MUD meetings with full conference facilities chaired by someone who knows what they're doing. * Myk agrees with dichro. Well, it would be easier if we didnt have somuch babble Lets move on OK - if everyone is quiet...we can do some machine reports... James - you havethe floor: whaddaya wanna hear? I wanna here a report on merman and a quick one too anyone? it's working right next OK Merman. Seems stable and nice. Sophie disagrees somewhat with dichro * dunc shouts token ring and passes james the token. * Nick agrees with dichro, too marlin whats the story Marlin - Mik? * james things merman is fine... Conference Speak Freely for UNIX would be nice, too ::-) What is marlin doing now? marlin is having fun. it's handling outgoing mail for the ucc, and doing fairly well *** austen (austen@ttyE55.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc marlin serves DNS as of friday last friday *** austen has left channel #ucc OK. Is it inside or outside the UCC firewall it's also got an ipv6 tunnel to the US, and will soon be on the 6bone out ie acting as ipv6 router for ucc What as 2ndare, or is Moray out of the picture? moray is fine, marlin is secondary for ucc is marlin our primary MX handler? 2ndary even...? _marlin_ serves DNS? cool. OK... _marlin_ serves DNS. that's about it. brb * Barnes wonders why dns.ucc still points to moray. so _marlin_ is primary MX handler? moray secondary there? Is there a real effort to keep them sychronised to the extent that eitehr can do the other's jobs at a moment's notice, in a pinch? no, marlin isn't handling incoming mail (yet) i'm a little concerned over one minor qmail quirk that i want to play with first. (because I think there _really_ should be) because moray is stilll serving DNS too ... but marlin _will_ at some stage, I assume, leaving moray as just the primary FTp and Web Server, and mackup mail server. *** austen (austen@ttyE55.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc well, if moray goes boom, mail goes to marlin. however, that won't help much, except that it will get queued :) ... and where is mail actually being delivered onto user spools? this will change as soon as i verify some things with qmail. matter of days at most. hopefully. RSN. marlin is delivering via moray, which isn't the cleverest thing imaginable.  Nick: mail to you keeps bouncing! Does qmail work happily with file locking over NFS? we're not running lockds... hell, yeah :) That's a moray problem, Sophie... that's the best thing about it. guaranteed reliable NFS deliveries. oh, yes. the moray problems are due to te kernel. why not have mail delivered locally on merman it needs either an upgrade or downgrade, and i'm a little busy. can it handle the load as well as NFS serving? OOK - mermaid report for those who haven;t been to the UCC lately... shrug good question. probably. PS: new debian sendmail: 8.8.3 however, i'd prefer to deliver on mermaid no problems with .forwards (or rather, .qmails) dichro: why on mermaid? Because it's a user machine, James. merman is firewalled as much as mermaid. merman is currently user free, which is a large part of why it's running so well. * james nods ... next machine please? Merman needs to be firewalled... it is running an unpatched virgin SunOS Internal backup MXes will be of great value, too - Starfish? Merman is firewalled AFAIK 'sides - then we'd have to deal with explaining to people that their .forwards don't work properly because they're not being run on a linux box, blah, blah, blah. Mermaid report...Mikolaj - tell all of the compile fun last night. merman /should/ be firewalled... is it not? It is. It is. I was stressing your point :) mermaid stomps :) parallel compile, load average at ~50, and it didn't drop the ball. a pleasant change. and why are we on 23? cryi patches? because .8-.15 is unfirewalled. oh. kernel version. :) nod.. kernel. don't ask me. i think people like the uptime so much that ehy're loath to reboot it. I saw (and probably stil l have) the cyrix pathes lying around for 23. even though it's got a stale NFS mount that really needs to be cleaned up es. I tried them and they failed. * dichro shrugs sod the cyrix patches. it's running well. OK... is there more to discuss here that is of committee relevence? (PS is the memoy improving things? EDO that is...?) did the cmos settings get changed to take advantage of it? shouldn't be ... don't we still have older memory in there as well? It has to be. No. or are we still running with caches off, slowest memory/bus speed settings? you usually don't need to change CMOS settings to use EDO The memory seems to have fixed all for the moment. Won't show up in BogoMips or anything, of course. andrew: you don't gain anything if you don't. Yes- that's the biggest point: what does bogomips say?? are the caches on? ...but as soon as the L2 cache starts thrashing with lots of users, it will give us a 10-15% performance boost. you need to decrease the wait states on memory accesses every triton MB I'v seen automagically detects EDO really? hmm. i take it back then. Automatic detection is usually very conservative, if it works, though. ok - 129.05 BogoMips its a heavily loaded multiuser machine - I think conservative is _good_ Starfish is crashing, as its first disk appears flaky. Those are probably 486 BogoMips, not Pentium ones. Starfish - should we replace that disk then? 129 BogoMips is too low. Check the CMOS settings ASAP. Completely useless for memory performance checks, as I said, though ::-) Anyway.... everyone roll your saving throws against my anyway spell. :) It is a 1 gig SCSI i think Natural 20! *** austen has left channel #ucc Starfish: nope - they are both 635mb SCSI-1 imprimis jobs. Starfish: Does anyone know if it has dual SCSI channels? 14 760 CDC, I think, James. * Myk yawns. N E X T It must have been flaky for a while, as the root filesystem is on /dev/vj1a, not /dev/vj0a as most would expect. Why is beige's printer ont he couch? Why hasnt it been put back on the bench? Who moved it? * dunc moves to close committee meeting due to lack of committee stuff to say. OK. Get anything committee related out of the way now, as the SCSI and chipspeke is going to increase. * james wants to make this a bit more interesting... :) any O-day preps yet? OK Sophie: anything you need/want to hear before it gets boring? O-Day. O-day. Lets get into that quickly when is O-day anyway? and James - you going to describe last weekends trip to shenton park? OK... Shenton park last weke was rather small. would have been nice if more people had of turned up Terry woodings took a few things what's left in terms of committee stuff? I was on a slow boat back from Rottnest. My apologies. *hurl* there isn't nearly as much stuff in there as I remember - I think the last few trips to junk stuff went overboard How's the Pelican blurb? No Andrew - the last couple of trips have been quite conservative I think. Strange. I was at work and then afterwards, at work. my apologies. saturday mornings are not good for me. terry is coming back to shenton park _Thursday_ (tomorrow) at 2pm, along with some other guy who is setting up a computer museum here in perth, and Phill Sutherland, Peter Edwards, and Bruce Armstrong at about 5pm. Anyone who wants to turn up is welcome to. These guys will be taking what _they_ want. Anyone else from the curent membership can grab what they want too. hh. OK - so who is going to be there with a clue as to what they can _have_ ? Chonx: well, AFAIK, no one. :) Most of it, I think.  Just me and possibly nick, if no one else can be bothered. If it's to a good home - almost anything. Terry Woodings would like the Flexotype card puncher.  Now, Nick and I purchased drinks and buscuits for Saturday today. Perhaps we should take names and contact details, though... 'except Ben and bits of Ben We can sell drinks at 20c per cup or whatever. Will need to URN mack from SU, and get power. I shall look into power tomorrow and I think we should keep the original ACC Murphy box and cards too I am also getting in contact with Mattew from the PHM to arrange transport for ben if they are still interested. OK. Who cares about this, JAmes? Campus servivces? Well, I have been onto UCS (Cleaning services). I will have to get no to Prop and Campus services at some stage about the fences to come down But that is planned for next weekend, not this one. probably don't need to take any fences _down_ just cut the padlock ont he sliding gate into the UCC area We would like as many people as possible to help out on saturday. We willhave to probably take down the shelves in the next room though. * dunc laments why saturdays all the time? It will be difficult to get enough stuff out that the sliding fence will actually slide. If people can turn up in UCC T-Shirts that would be appreciated. Bring any crap (such as that on the blue cupboard in the hallway outside the clubroom) over to the Shenton Park store to be given away please. Oh - bring the UCC shirts for sale. ::-) what blue cupboard? *** DARK-ANGEL (~christou@ttyE27.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc Mustang: when are you getting the Vax out for yourself? Sat morn? * james thinks of a large donation tin. Hope you have a trailer, Mustang... * james has to go. I have a prior engagment. * james waves to the crowd. * Nick waves Ah, I'll be there saturday, with a UCC tshirt and some large VAXspanners. I only need the top bit and the cabling. Anyone there is welcome to the rack/tape. * james wwaves to all *** Signoff: james (Leaving) * Myk waves to James. Is that it for committee stuff? Probably not, Sophie... I'll be there saturday too Hope so, I have to go tie up bits of paper for my sisters wedding on the weekend... We haven't decided about the next meeting, for example. to put it another way, is there anything anyone wants to discuss that might remotely relate to the UCC as a whole? Yes - get that out of the way. *** DARK-ANGEL has left channel #ucc well ... this friday or next, or neithing ppl? ah - Chinnery is apparently OK to do the Pelican blurb.  No - my gripe is about machines specifically. I am going outside for a cigarette, and I will bore you with SCSI-disks when I return. I trust Nick is loggin :) Logging even. Yep. *** DARK-ANGEL (~christou@ttyE27.omen.com.au) has joined channel #ucc Well... In person meetings are good in general to try to get people to DO things... Failing that, do we want to schedule another online meeting. ? This time, next week? chonx - I didn't know you smoked? Earlier? Later? Sounds OK to me i'll point out that it does interfere with xfiles. They're all repeats anyway :P 'Earlier. earlier would be tolerable, much later would be preferable. e're managing to multitask here, but I'd prefer to watch it at home. And some well, yes :) of us haven't seen some episodes before. Later is OK, earlier and I'll be typing and eating dinner simultaneously. got to go - bye people... OK - 6pm? 6:30pm? wave * dichro waves to Andrew *** Signoff: andrew (Leaving) 10:30pm? *** Ryan (~Ryanp@modem20.networx.net.au) has joined channel #ucc Well, my preferable time is about 2am :) * dichro agrees with Barnes Barnes: grin That makes it three. 2am it is. ::-) * Myk laughs. whats this meeting brilliant :) *** DARK-ANGEL has left channel #ucc * dunc makes a fourth, too. *** Ryan is now known as BACK_IN_BLACK *** Mode change "+b *!*@*networkx.net.au" on channel #ucc by Barnes hello *** BACK_IN_BLACK has been kicked off channel #ucc by Barnes (Bye.) *** BACK_IN_BLACK (~Ryanp@modem20.networx.net.au) has joined channel #ucc I gotta go. cya later folks. * dichro cheers. nice mode barnsey Damn. Mistyped the ban. * dichro waves to Myk. suck crap computer club hey *** Mode change "+b *!*@*networx.net.au" on channel #ucc by Barnes Thats one thing I like about IRC, kicks and kickbans :P up yours Charming. *** BACK_IN_BLACK has been kicked off channel #ucc by Barnes (Barnes) And one thing I hate about IRC, the losers. bye bye! :) * Myk waves. *** Mode change "+o Chonx" on channel #ucc by UCCBOT *** Signoff: Myk (Off to tie silly bits of ribbon.) Agreed - personally, I think irc isn't that great, but anyway... * dichro waves feebly to everyone since he's not altogether certain who is leaving and who isn't. Well - do we want to change the 2am? ::-) or have multiple meetings? ok I move to end the committee meeting at 9pm to resume next Wednesday night at 2am (thurs morning). or, for my part, leave myself connected indefinitely? ::-) No, not 2am * dunc gasps. who * the first objection! Should there be an IRL meeting on Friday? ooops hate this Wintel box. We can schedule another then. OK. So what stage are we at. All committe business out of the way? The online can be nutted out later. somehow, i always thought it would be nice for people who were actually logged in and not busy to leave a screen on flame. then, you can have impromptu q&a sessions, or random meetings or whatever. RL = real life? Yes. If it's at much, I might be able to go. If it's at 6 pm, I'll be working methinks * Barnes nods sagely at dichro. (not that i do, or anything, but it's a nice idea) *** laz (szpakhse@grunge211.nv.iinet.net.au) has joined channel #ucc hi guys! 'lo barnes.... *** Mode change "+o dichro" on channel #ucc by UCCBOT don't tempt me :) Anyone else have anything to say about the next meeting time? *** Chonx has changed the topic on channel #ucc to UCC meeting. Please enter only if you have a clue. OK, how about 1am? I can be there . Most would not want to. *** Mode change "+i" on channel #ucc by Barnes *** laz has been kicked off channel #ucc by Barnes (Private meeting, sorry.) quite rapidly, i shouldn't wonder. oh no! the cluons are escaping! judging from the tone this meeting has taken, i'd have to agree. was there anything else? Lots of wheel stuff. well, a few things. Well... spit it out, boyo. That might be gottne through quicker if we keep a tight rein on it. We still haven't worked out another meeting... shalll we bloody well close the CM then? yes we have. OK. 1. Do you want an IRL committee meeting this Friday? you = we oops 2. If so - what time? coming in under othernick IRL Friday usual time and thurs morn 2am, any dissenters apart from sophie? *** Fratz (mustang@s33.dialup.uwa.edu.au) has joined channel #ucc 3. Do we want to organise the next online meeting now? *** Signoff: Chonx (Leaving) Well, I'm playing with a new flame driver now. *** Fratz is now known as Chonx James can't make 1pm Friday this week. ::-( bummer. Fratz and Chonx, huh? No idssentions if we skip this week's IRL meeting? let's stick to friday evenings for RL meetings. dissentions uhuh. Well, hey *cough* Found mIRC on this machine. Much handier. * Nick sighs OK, skip it. Next Friday? What time? or go to email? *** CTCP FINGER reply from Barnes: Barnaby Brown (barnes@mermaid) Idle 69 seconds *** CTCP FINGER reply from dichro: Mikolaj J. Habryn (dichro@mermaid) Idle 120 seconds *** CTCP FINGER reply from awayshig: David Basden (davidb@dogmatix) Idle 4368 seconds *** CTCP FINGER reply from UCCBOT: Ian McKellar (yakk@mermaid) Idle 239964 seconds *** CTCP FINGER reply from Chonx: Chonx (mustang@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Idle 42 seconds *** CTCP FINGER reply from sophie: Sophie Divliaev (sophie@mermaid) Idle 1 second No email - only email the results. 'Friday evening. Saw that Barnes...please don't bot me to deth... OK. Next Friday, 6pm? * Barnes grins innocently. * Barnes nods emphatically. ok - so friday evening? #ucc Chonx H mustang@s33.dialup.uwa.edu.au (Chonx) #ucc sophie H sophie@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Sophie Divliaev) #ucc dunc H dunc@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Duncan Sargeant) #ucc Barnes H$*@ barnes@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Tobermory J. Womble) #ucc Nick H nick@pling.it.net.au (Nick Bannon) #ucc dichro H@ dichro@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mikolaj J. Habryn) #ucc awayshig H@ davidb@dogmatix.omen.com.au (David Basden) #ucc UCCBOT H$@ yakk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Terminal Illness) Come one, come all, to Shenton Park at 9:30am on Saturday, BTW. Yup - what time are we letting the rabble in? *** Mode change "+o Chonx" on channel #ucc by dichro 11am, in theory. 10am UCC members. OK - cool. So I will be working on a VAX 11/730 from 9:30 til 10 :) I think the numbers may not be _that_ huge... if they are, most of them won't have quite the same idea of old computer hardware that we do ::-) I imagine that 60% of clueful people will be the same ones who go to Hamfests. (though the ad did say 1960's-1980's, I think. Never actually saw the ad - the West is somewhere about, though) They should be fairly decent, there is no excuse for a poor turnout. Well, there is. They may not want our stuff. ::-) :) I meant there shouldn't be a poor turnout of UCCans. * Nick grins OK - next Friday 6pm, it seems? Does this mean you'll be handing out cups of cordial, sophie :) Next online meeting time to be discussed... now? In email? Last tonight? Last = Later Hmmm - SeaQuest looks fun... * Barnes almost kicks Nick for that. * Nick grins * Nick likes it for similar reasons to Star Trek, despite their flaws * Nick _does_ prefer B5, though - never fear. ::-) Oooh... you just saved yourself there :) OK chaps (Sophie doesn't really need/want to hear this, trust me) shall we talk machines now? OK... things have wound down, it seems... Are we going to start on the wheels stuff in earnest? or break for Kindred, and whoever's around can talk then? or what? yer wheel stuff now, methinks. erm - I suggest ernest, Kindred, then see who filters back. er - for 10 minutes, then break for kindred. Sounds good to me.  OK. Nick - do you want to, or shall I break it on down? * Nick hands the floor to Chonx cya guys * Chonx struggles under weight of floor *wave* * Nick waves * dichro waves to Sophie. bye Soph Bye Sophie. * Chonx bids Sophie good night. * Chonx places floor on groud and steps upon it. *** Nick is now known as extralong * extralong does the mexican wave. *** extralong is now known as Extralong *** Extralong is now known as eXtralong *** eXtralong is now known as exTralong *** exTralong is now known as extRalong *** extRalong is now known as extrAlong *** extrAlong is now known as extraLong *** extraLong is now known as extralOng *** extralOng is now known as extraloNg *** extraloNg is now known as extralonG *** extralonG is now known as extralong *** extralong is now known as Nick OK. Main drama in our eyes: underutilisation. Dumbass. * Nick ducks * Chonx thanks Barnes. Succinct. * Barnes grins. Well, you did take that long to come out with a short sentence like that, Chonx ::-) ...but I agree. Currently, we have about 2.5gig of decent SCSI disk doing SFA. *really* you cry? (with the sentence) *Chonx* bing *wave* *** Signoff: sophie (Leaving) * Nick cries need to find out what's on it before we do random reformats correct. BUT does everyone here realise that there is a gigabyte of Seagate Hawk inside Marlin, for example? starfish: old /services/ftp 760MB * dichro chuckles marlin: 1GB - was old /home/ucc, probably free now. given that i have to compile additional crap into marlin's kernel to handle it, yes :) /home is 98% free. /services is 95% free. Oh good. It aint mounted though...? Full, Barnes. Free only after BOFH-ing. ::-) Does it have a place in the UCC scheme of things WRT moray/marlin being back to back? * dichro thinks Barnes means 'full' rather than 'free' - or has someone misplaces an rm? yes Duh. Whoops :) a great deal of pain has been caused because people were too frightened to upgrade moray Hmm? Is it slated for anything? * Nick thinks marlin and moray should just have their IDE root discs, and the SCSI should be left where it can be NFSed. if we have two machines outside the firewall, we can do things in stages and break things. * Barnes goes and rectifies his sentence... and not by changing the sentence itself. * dichro agrees with Nick. just while on the subject. i think it may be possible to get the adaptec into mermaid and working happily Exactly. Methinks either it goes onto Merman OR is goes in the Be. The Be talks TCP/IP :) Would it be better to swap to SCSI over ISA, or to EIDE? that's actually a difficult question :) I think the Adaptec should go into any proposed 'user' machine. There isn't an OS on the planet that doesn't know the 1542, and it'd be good for adding a Zip drive, Beige's CDrom, etc i think it would be better to swap to scsi over isa where 'user'=general gumby fuckaround machine adaptec would be good in bebox, yes. keeping in mind 16mb problems i can work around that ona linux box, but not anything else No - don't need the adaptec in the BeBox. It talks SCSI. The Seagate in the BeBox *maybe* but the Adaptec whould probably be slower than PCI DMA IDE...seriously. The Bebox doesn't need it, does it??? Hence I vote mermaid doesn't need it. yes, but the question is does the eide do busmastering if it does, fine. if it doesn't, use scsi No - it doesn't explicitly need SCSI... its a perfect drive for it though. Wed Dec 4 21:30:35 WST 1996 #ucc Chonx H@ mustang@s33.dialup.uwa.edu.au (Chonx) #ucc dunc H dunc@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Duncan Sargeant) #ucc Barnes H$*@ barnes@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Tobermory J. Womble) #ucc Nick H nick@pling.it.net.au (Nick Bannon) #ucc dichro H@ dichro@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Mikolaj J. Habryn) #ucc awayshig H@ davidb@dogmatix.omen.com.au (David Basden) #ucc UCCBOT H$@ yakk@mermaid.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Terminal Illness) Ahh - I see. I get you point Mik. Surely if it's not going SCSI, it's already got the best drive for itself? er - on that note, i'm retiring for kindred :) Yer... HAng on I think we have confused the issue. Before we break: * Nick will stay around here, but will have delayed responses. (ad breaks ::-) ) The 1gig Imprimis from beige should probably go onto Merman * Nick agrees The 1gig HAwk from Marlinshould probably go into the Be. OK... The Adaptec AHA1542CF should probably go into a user OS/2 or devel box. The 760s should be used in preference to 1GBs as root discs. it would be nice to have it somewhere where it'll be fairly steadily available I think Mermaid would swap faster of DMA EIDE via PCI than SCSI over ISA. though the 300's would be better still for slow Suns. definitely :) Yes, but the 300 and 760s are 5.25" Will they fit into the Be? but mermaid's an exception, since, unlike the rest of our machines, it will actually do busmastering eide The Be deserves a GB, though, I think. * Barnes is playing with a new flame driver... kinda away. Yes - I think mermaid can do quite happily without the Adaptec and SCSI. The Be does have 5.25" mounting spots, yes. OK. In such case, we should get CD from PNL, and fire up BeOS on a 300mb Sun327, and see what we can see. I think it should get the Hawk. Kindred starting! If the Be becomes a real, useful box, then I suggest it either gets the Hawk or a new EIDE drive. Hawk for the moment, before Kindred? *** We'll miss you Does it do EIDE? Yes. We don't have another EIDE though... I think it deserves the Hawk. No - so its either sacrifice 1gig of NFSable SCSI disk for it, or shell out $240 for a gig of EIDE. assuming the Hawk is marlin's 1GB disc? If the Hawk isn't going to be used, then ok. I am happy with that. Yes - that's the marlin gig. The imprimis one should probably be brought online as NFSable space too. Since we have a Sun3 -> Honda cable now, we're set...if we can find a Honda->Cent50 adapter :) oh well I must away. Kindred, girlfriends and fresh mangos calling. May be back l8r. ciao *** Signoff: Chonx (Leaving) [...] IRC log ended Thu Dec 5 01:07